Comments on: MSU College of Business http://commaq.com Architecture Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:01:14 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tim Melevin http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-31 Tim Melevin Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:01:14 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-31 From the number of other Universities where I have worked or visited, our current school of business seems to be deficient in providing a quiet enjoyable study space for the students to read or work. Many students do not have a quiet atmosphere at home, and it would be productive if we could provide a library or group study location for them. Reading is a very important part of learning and should be encouraged, and possibly even segregated from on line computer labs which could distract the students. From the number of other Universities where I have worked or visited, our current school of business seems to be deficient in providing a quiet enjoyable study space for the students to read or work.

Many students do not have a quiet atmosphere at home, and it would be productive if we could provide a library or group study location for them.

Reading is a very important part of learning and should be encouraged, and possibly even segregated from on line computer labs which could distract the students.

]]> By: Marc Giullian http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-30 Marc Giullian Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:19:01 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-30 Before I began one of my classes yesterday (3/28), I heard two of my students lamenting the lack of quiet study areas on campus. They both like having a quiet place to do their individual studying. I am aware that much of the emphasis of the discussion about the building has been related to having places where people can come together. I think it is important that the desire for quiet study, student space also be noted and integrated into the building as much as possible. As a professor, I want my students to read and study and if a nice, quiet space will encourage more reading and studying (and for these students, it will) then I want to voice this desire and I hope it can be accomdated in some way. Before I began one of my classes yesterday (3/28), I heard two of my students lamenting the lack of quiet study areas on campus. They both like having a quiet place to do their individual studying. I am aware that much of the emphasis of the discussion about the building has been related to having places where people can come together. I think it is important that the desire for quiet study, student space also be noted and integrated into the building as much as possible. As a professor, I want my students to read and study and if a nice, quiet space will encourage more reading and studying (and for these students, it will) then I want to voice this desire and I hope it can be accomdated in some way.

]]> By: Jennifer Britton http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-29 Jennifer Britton Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:12:46 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-29 I am aware that one of the building sites may impact the stand of trees on the north side of Wilson Hall. As faculty in PSPP Environmental Horticulture/Landscape Design I have some serious concerns with this location. 1. This is one of the few remaining areas on campus where students in our department can learn and see mature coniferous material, it is in part our outdoor classroom. Due to Montana's very short growing season any "tree mitigation" would take far too long for trees to mature for use in instruction. A resounding question the is what does this say about MSU's support of the School of Agriculture? 2. Politically the business school might consider their impacts on other campus programs. Especially in these times as business schools in generally are harshly criticized for their lack of ethical training. There is great irony in the business school cutting one of the last significant stand of trees on campus when they could easy plan to work around them- how indicative of our current environmental issues. 3. Sustainability. You here it around campus, but you don't really see it. Here is the chance to put actions in front of rhetoric. Have a press release let's toot our horn that money did not trump environmental concern. 4. Bozeman and MSU has significant issues with their storm water management. Existing tree canopy, particularly coniferous material, helps to mitigate storm water impacts from the building. 5. LEEDS certification includes consideration of plant material- cutting down trees is not a plus. 6. I have heard that one reason is for building densification on campus. Before joining MSU I was a City Planner for the City of Seattle, and I mention this to illustrate I have a background in city densification. However, in the case of MSU in Bozeman MT, moving the building 100' to save the trees will be insignificant to accomplishing densification of buildings on campus. If anything you won't have shading issues and can utilize passive solar heating more efficiently. This sounds a hollow reasoning. 7. It is also my understanding that the current trees have a significant assessed value that would need to be paid. I'm not sure if it's good practice to show business students they can simply pay later for environmental destruction. Not everything is replaceable. When all said and done it seems this is not the best location. I am aware that one of the building sites may impact the stand of trees on the north side of Wilson Hall. As faculty in PSPP Environmental Horticulture/Landscape Design I have some serious concerns with this location.

1. This is one of the few remaining areas on campus where students in our department can learn and see mature coniferous material, it is in part our outdoor classroom. Due to Montana’s very short growing season any “tree mitigation” would take far too long for trees to mature for use in instruction. A resounding question the is what does this say about MSU’s support of the School of Agriculture?

2. Politically the business school might consider their impacts on other campus programs. Especially in these times as business schools in generally are harshly criticized for their lack of ethical training. There is great irony in the business school cutting one of the last significant stand of trees on campus when they could easy plan to work around them- how indicative of our current environmental issues.

3. Sustainability. You here it around campus, but you don’t really see it. Here is the chance to put actions in front of rhetoric. Have a press release let’s toot our horn that money did not trump environmental concern.

4. Bozeman and MSU has significant issues with their storm water management. Existing tree canopy, particularly coniferous material, helps to mitigate storm water impacts from the building.

5. LEEDS certification includes consideration of plant material- cutting down trees is not a plus.

6. I have heard that one reason is for building densification on campus. Before joining MSU I was a City Planner for the City of Seattle, and I mention this to illustrate I have a background in city densification. However, in the case of MSU in Bozeman MT, moving the building 100′ to save the trees will be insignificant to accomplishing densification of buildings on campus. If anything you won’t have shading issues and can utilize passive solar heating more efficiently. This sounds a hollow reasoning.

7. It is also my understanding that the current trees have a significant assessed value that would need to be paid. I’m not sure if it’s good practice to show business students they can simply pay later for environmental destruction. Not everything is replaceable.

When all said and done it seems this is not the best location.

]]> By: George Thompson http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-28 George Thompson Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:09:47 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-28 The Wilson Hall site proposal for the Jabs Center poses a number of problems. 1. It ignores the program requirements for the Jabs bldg and the visible relationship of the College of Business to the professional community. 2. The location will never be a "new" gateway to MSU. Bozeman's current and future transportation links do not show significant traffic throught the 8th st residential district. 8th and College intersection contain a car repair shop, run down gas station/C-store. The proposed Jabs site is kiddy-corner (??) from marginal rental property not owned by the University. Johnstone Hall is simply well beyond useful life. 3. Saying this will be a new MSU entry is an architectural concept with no basis as 8th street terminates into the Wilson loading dock. Like the crits on presentations in architectural grad school, "when my eyes are closed the presentation sounds good, but when I open my eyes, nothing is there to support your ideas" 4. Principal entry points to the campus are off Kagy/7th, and 11th, Grant Street. 8th street was closed off with Wilson Hall when it became apparent that horseless carriages had made the original campus planning efforts obsolete. 5. Burying a LEED type of building into the north side of a slope when you have better locations to choose from is a bit silly and simply irresponsible . The operational expenses gained (or lost) with a large passive solar building will be significant over the life span of the building. The Wilson site will become nothing more than another example of poor planning decisions made by those who don't invest their own money in their commercial projects, and make poor choices for their clients. Will buy you dinner when 8th street becomes a major entry to Campus. The Wilson Hall site proposal for the Jabs Center poses a number of problems.
1. It ignores the program requirements for the Jabs bldg and the visible relationship of the College of Business to the professional community.
2. The location will never be a “new” gateway to MSU. Bozeman’s current and future transportation links do not show significant traffic throught the 8th st residential district. 8th and College intersection contain a car repair shop, run down gas station/C-store. The proposed Jabs site is kiddy-corner (??) from marginal rental property not owned by the University. Johnstone Hall is simply well beyond useful life.
3. Saying this will be a new MSU entry is an architectural concept with no basis as 8th street terminates into the Wilson loading dock. Like the crits on presentations in architectural grad school, “when my eyes are closed the presentation sounds good, but when I open my eyes, nothing is there to support your ideas”

4. Principal entry points to the campus are off Kagy/7th, and 11th, Grant Street. 8th street was closed off with Wilson Hall when it became apparent that horseless carriages had made the original campus planning efforts obsolete.
5. Burying a LEED type of building into the north side of a slope when you have better locations to choose from is a bit silly and simply irresponsible . The operational expenses gained (or lost) with a large passive solar building will be significant over the life span of the building.

The Wilson site will become nothing more than another example of poor planning decisions made by those who don’t invest their own money in their commercial projects, and make poor choices for their clients.

Will buy you dinner when 8th street becomes a major entry to Campus.

]]> By: Amanda Cater http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-24 Amanda Cater Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:18:47 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-24 I use the current pay parking lot several times per month. I often come to the bookstore for art supplies, etc. and in the evenings for lectures in the SUB. I have not attended any function in the College of Business in 30 years, so I doubt that I would start now. Please consider other sites for the new building. I think Judith Brenner has an interesting idea in using an empty building somewhere near campus if there is one rather than building anew. I use the current pay parking lot several times per month. I often come to the bookstore for art supplies, etc. and in the evenings for lectures in the SUB. I have not attended any function in the College of Business in 30 years, so I doubt that I would start now. Please consider other sites for the new building.

I think Judith Brenner has an interesting idea in using an empty building somewhere near campus if there is one rather than building anew.

]]> By: Judith Brenner http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-23 Judith Brenner Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:32:41 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-23 I feel that it is a wise decision to have a business college at MSU, however, I wonder why they have not considered an empty building as I am sure there are many in Bozeman. In this economy why spend money on a building and upset people by using valuable parking lots. This is an option I believe that should be investigated before you make the final decisions. Judy B. I feel that it is a wise decision to have a business college at MSU, however, I wonder why they have not considered an empty building as I am sure there are many in Bozeman. In this economy why spend money on a building and upset people by using valuable parking lots. This is an option I believe that should be investigated before you make the final decisions. Judy B.

]]> By: Judith Brenner http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-22 Judith Brenner Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:29:30 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-22 I wonder if they have even considered using an empty building, as there seem to be a lot still around Bozeman. I believe this should be looked into. As a former teacher of business classes in a high school in Montana I think a business college would be an excellent thing for MSU. But let's be realistic and watch what we spend to do this project. J. Brenner I wonder if they have even considered using an empty building, as there seem to be a lot still around Bozeman. I believe this should be looked into. As a former teacher of business classes in a high school in Montana I think a business college would be an excellent thing for MSU. But let’s be realistic and watch what we spend to do this project. J. Brenner

]]> By: Bunny Gaffney http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-21 Bunny Gaffney Sat, 10 Mar 2012 05:14:35 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-21 As one who uses the paid parking regularly to visit the SUB, I am very concerned about being able to access the book store if the parking lot is done away with in order to build the new Business college. I really feel patrons of the SUB who have to drive and park to access it would be up in arms about any such decision. As one who uses the paid parking regularly to visit the SUB, I am very concerned about being able to access the book store if the parking lot is done away with in order to build the new Business college. I really feel patrons of the SUB who have to drive and park to access it would be up in arms about any such decision.

]]> By: Michael Brody http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-20 Michael Brody Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:22:50 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-20 In regards to the proposed site for the new Business School building, I would like the administration to consider the perspectives of the people who live in the immediate residential neighborhoods and historic district of Bozeman north and east of campus. The arguments concerning the proposed site south of Wilson Hall and the neighboring existing parking lot have already been discussed in numerous public meetings when the parking garage was proposed. Those public meetings resulted in a long list of community issues concerning developing this part of campus including increased traffic, our children walking to Irving Elementary School, encroaching on the well-being of the neighborhoods (some of us can still hear the vents from the chemistry building day and night) and the historic nature of the surrounding buildings. It seems obvious, as stated above, that campus "in-building" (east of Hamilton Hall) or expanding campus into less developed areas (south and west) would be in the best interest of MSU and the relationship with its closest neighbors. Thank you for the opportunity to comment. In regards to the proposed site for the new Business School building, I would like the administration to consider the perspectives of the people who live in the immediate residential neighborhoods and historic district of Bozeman north and east of campus. The arguments concerning the proposed site south of Wilson Hall and the neighboring existing parking lot have already been discussed in numerous public meetings when the parking garage was proposed. Those public meetings resulted in a long list of community issues concerning developing this part of campus including increased traffic, our children walking to Irving Elementary School, encroaching on the well-being of the neighborhoods (some of us can still hear the vents from the chemistry building day and night) and the historic nature of the surrounding buildings. It seems obvious, as stated above, that campus “in-building” (east of Hamilton Hall) or expanding campus into less developed areas (south and west) would be in the best interest of MSU and the relationship with its closest neighbors. Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

]]> By: Tim Malone http://commaq.com/msu/#comment-19 Tim Malone Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:42:10 +0000 http://commaq.com/?page_id=2851#comment-19 MSU should follow the trend of other schools and incorporate underground parking into the building design. Other schools have demonstrated this successful technique to the extent that every new building added includes underground parking. MSU should follow the trend of other schools and incorporate underground parking into the building design. Other schools have demonstrated this successful technique to the extent that every new building added includes underground parking.

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